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Weird Place ...
Hi all ....
The last time I was here was to say goodbye when I went over to EAS after agreeing (sort of) with AP to end our long term EA. I guess in a nutshell, we didn't,despite at the time feeling that it had run its course. We've now been involved with each other on various levels for 6 + years and our connection is still as strong, still teeters on the edge of a PA, still gives me (us) intense pleasure and at times, intense pain. He has mellowed over the years and is much more open about the depth of his connection to me and the conflict he feels around wanting our relationship to be physical and how that affects him in terms of his commitment to his marriage. I have to say that was a welcome change as he often left me with the emotional burden, through what I now think was just sheer inability to express what he felt for me, or understand his own motivation for wanting such a deep connection with someone outside of his marriage.
Currently we are in a weird place and if Kimber or Nevereasy (or anyone else!) has a more rational view than I do, comments would be appreciated.
We have been trying to plan more time together after a crisis before Christmas where I felt I couldn't function within this level of relationship without seeing him more often and/or for longer periods. He responded by trying to plan with me where we could see each other more, quite happily it seemed. He was lovely and the extra time together gave us loads of time to talk through stuff we never really had before. We were great, very close, very open, he was more responsive to me than I think he's ever been and it's the calmest period we've ever had. Some major plans fell through and during the discussions about making new ones he told me that spending more time together may change things and if they change it may not fit anymore which scared him. Apparently, a few weeks ago he'd decided to just go with the PA, never mentioned it to me at the time, and then got cold feet.
We are now at an impasse and have agreed somehow to see what not doing this feels like with one of three scenarios being the anticipated outcome. (His idea) One, I will 'move' in my thinking and accept the time we currently have is all we can have. Two, he will 'move' and make more time to be together. Three, we won't come back to the relationship at all, realising we are actually ok without doing it. We left each other on surprisingly calm and good terms, him seeming positive that he was likely to be the one that 'moved' and we would then have a PA. I was positive that I wouldn't move as I felt for most of our relationship that I always did, and that he wouldn't move either so therefore we had really just ended the whole thing. He didn't seem to think we would end up with the third scenario. His parting comment was a warning that if he moved I would have to live with the consequences of seeing him naked.
I am incredibly confused about the whole thing. I agreed because it felt ok and although it seems like a battle of wills, it didnt feel as devastatingly final as other endings have been. Now my head is all over the place! Mostly, I don't understand why deciding to spend more time together equals a decision to have a PA, which I know he doesn't want and can't handle and am not pushing him for. Why in his head is this the same thing and therefore such a shift in our relationship? If he is so certain he will 'move' why the 'lets see what not doing it feels like'? Does this sound like he wants to end it and is just delaying the inevitable?
Bird
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Weird Place ...
Hi all ....
The last time I was here was to say goodbye when I went over to EAS after agreeing (sort of) with AP to end our long term EA. I guess in a nutshell, we didn't,despite at the time feeling that it had run its course. We've now been involved with each other on various levels for 6 + years and our connection is still as strong, still teeters on the edge of a PA, still gives me (us) intense pleasure and at times, intense pain. He has mellowed over the years and is much more open about the depth of his connection to me and the conflict he feels around wanting our relationship to be physical and how that affects him in terms of his commitment to his marriage. I have to say that was a welcome change as he often left me with the emotional burden, through what I now think was just sheer inability to express what he felt for me, or understand his own motivation for wanting such a deep connection with someone outside of his marriage.
Currently we are in a weird place and if Kimber or Nevereasy (or anyone else!) has a more rational view than I do, comments would be appreciated.
We have been trying to plan more time together after a crisis before Christmas where I felt I couldn't function within this level of relationship without seeing him more often and/or for longer periods. He responded by trying to plan with me where we could see each other more, quite happily it seemed. He was lovely and the extra time together gave us loads of time to talk through stuff we never really had before. We were great, very close, very open, he was more responsive to me than I think he's ever been and it's the calmest period we've ever had. Some major plans fell through and during the discussions about making new ones he told me that spending more time together may change things and if they change it may not fit anymore which scared him. Apparently, a few weeks ago he'd decided to just go with the PA, never mentioned it to me at the time, and then got cold feet.
We are now at an impasse and have agreed somehow to see what not doing this feels like with one of three scenarios being the anticipated outcome. (His idea) One, I will 'move' in my thinking and accept the time we currently have is all we can have. Two, he will 'move' and make more time to be together. Three, we won't come back to the relationship at all, realising we are actually ok without doing it. We left each other on surprisingly calm and good terms, him seeming positive that he was likely to be the one that 'moved' and we would then have a PA. I was positive that I wouldn't move as I felt for most of our relationship that I always did, and that he wouldn't move either so therefore we had really just ended the whole thing. He didn't seem to think we would end up with the third scenario. His parting comment was a warning that if he moved I would have to live with the consequences of seeing him naked.
I am incredibly confused about the whole thing. I agreed because it felt ok and although it seems like a battle of wills, it didnt feel as devastatingly final as other endings have been. Now my head is all over the place! Mostly, I don't understand why deciding to spend more time together equals a decision to have a PA, which I know he doesn't want and can't handle and am not pushing him for. Why in his head is this the same thing and therefore such a shift in our relationship? If he is so certain he will 'move' why the 'lets see what not doing it feels like'? Does this sound like he wants to end it and is just delaying the inevitable?
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Bird!!!!! (((HUGS))) I have wondered about you MANY times
So good to "see" you but I wish under different circumstances.
I agree with what Sunny already said....and I'm sort of rushed right now, but I'll think on it and see if I have anything to add.
More ((HUGS)) and take care...I'll be back ![]()
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Hi Sunny
Thanks so much for this insight. This is exactly what he does. We've talked about 'walls' many times and how difficult he finds emotion. I've learned to steer well away from discussing our relationship in terms of how he feels about me. It seems to work better if I just take his emotional involvement as a given and then he seems to be able to deal with the fact its there. Asking him straight out how he feels sends him running for the emotional distancing hills! He does however then usually respond by moving closer and he tries so hard to give me whatever I ask for eventually with the caveat of no (or sometimes very limited) physical contact.
I suppose deep down I know his feelings for me make him feel vulnerable but because of his history of denial I am never sure what he feels, if anything. He is outwardly THE most emotionally controlled person I have ever met so all I have to go on is that after 6 years we are still intensely drawn to the connection we have. We've been through an awful lot to keep it and often joke that we put more effort into keeping this relationship than some people do their marriages.
I guess I don't know what to do with the situation we've created as its very vague in terms of timescales and what we are trying to achieve. I am pretty sure he will contact me and I have a feeling it will be after I'm back from my vacation next week. Then I panic and think to do that he has to admit he's vulnerable right? And that would be nothing short of a miracle! I don't feel its the end, but it does feel like there's nowhere to go with it. Bizarrely it felt like he wanted something to push him into moving closer - like being apart would. Considering he never really expresses any feelings verbally, he was fairly clear he thought he would find not communicating very difficult and that ending it wasn't what he wanted. He wanted a way over the impasse, he wanted to move and didn't know how. I just don't know what to do and I'm scared that he will actually use the time to create the distance he feels more comfortable with because as you say, that's what he knows works.
Urgh ..I feel in limbo. I don't know if that's harder than just accepting it's done and getting on with it.
Thank you Sunny
Bird
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Heeeeeeellllloooooooooooooooooooo Kimber!!!! {{{{HUGS}}}} to you too! ![]()
I've thought about you many, MANY times too and your words have rattled around in my head for a loooooong time! LOL
You always have a great perspective and it has helped me get a better one. You'd think after 6 years I'd have this sussed!! AP and I just somehow managed to stick with it and we've talked through so many things we have been GREAT! It frustrates me that he believes that spending more time together will mean he has to decide to have a PA! Sunny is right I think, but I guess I find it hard to believe he has such intense feelings and these are what's driving him because he rarely lets me see them.
Arrrghhh! What do I do? Help, Oh Wise One! I don't want to loose him, but I know I can't participate with a relationship on this level and constantly face his resistance when I ask for face to face time. I think it's the resistance that I find hard to deal with and somehow we've (I've) attached it to his unwillingness to make time for us. I bet I'm making no sense whatsoever!
If I'm gone for a few days it's because I'm going on vacation and won't dare access here! I'll be back too!
Bird
xxxx
